Beiträge von kabidjan14

So Herr Freimuller reported this morning that Lukas Haudum had transferred from Sodertalje to Malmo, but Herr Freimuller isn't a trustworthy source because I think me may have swapped the right wings and left wings of KAC once so I provided some real sources.
http://www.hockeymagasinet.com/hockeynyheter/…malmo-redhawks/
http://lt.se/sport/ishockey…nior-lamnar-ssk
http://vikfancentral.se/
http://mrmadhawk.se/
https://twitter.com/Skandaloest/status/733686999404679171
https://twitter.com/Torsdey/status/733574972728184832
https://twitter.com/RasmusSenator/status/733571783870185472

The move is purportedly because Malmo has an SHL club and Haudum wants to play at the men's level soon, which means that we could end up seeing Konstantin Komarek play alongside Lukas Haudum not too long from now.

Zitat von kerusz

Ich habe beide Beiträge geschrieben. Laß mir wissen, was hab' ich geschrieben.

I think like Nic said you should just write the updates yourself if you really want to avoid misunderstandings. I think most of us are only interested in Hungarian hockey as it relates to Austria and the EBEL, so sorry if we just google whatever we want to find out and then I use google translate but Europeans are superheroes who each know like 5 answers so they probably just read haha but still, WAT's doing his best just help the man out

Zitat von puck2020

Metzler to Salzburg
König Lustenau or Lugano...
Heisig Lustenau or Dornbirn

Why Lustenau or Lugano? I feel like if that decision is up to him it should be a no-brainer. Is he waiting on their decision or is König genuinely struggling between. Lustenau and Lugano?

Any transfer destinations for Rheintal grads Janic Heisig, David König, Julian Metzler?

I'm a little surprised. Despite making a large number of saves, most of Vay's saves were more because of Hungary's style of play, rather than any special skills on his part. Especially as the tournament went on and Hungary began playing more cohesively, and began to park themselves in front of the net, he never had to make any weak side saves because of the way Hungary was playing. He was in those instances just a big body in a 60 minutes 6-man penalty kill. It's good that he gets his chance, however he's a project at best. They signed him to a 2 year contract because of his youth, but I could see him spending two years in Quad City...

MOL liga to NHL is a great headline, but unless he is actually a skilled individual the real headline will be MOL Liga to ECHL. Not nearly as glamorous.

Some things never change

A draw vs. Tanzania

There should probably be more options. For me, Yes if the new team is Austrian, no if they are foreign is the oversimplified version...

Zitat von puck2020

Er würde dzt.in der Schweiz die Eiszeit nicht bekommen.(NLA)
Zwerger könnte sicher auch während der Saison die Chance bekommen für die AHL.

He wouldn't get a whole lot of Ice time as a rookie in any high-quality league

He will play some in the AHL next season as in at the end of the season he could sign a tryout contract as part of a 1 year deal which would maybe give him 10 games. Perhaps if he really beat up on the juniors he might earn a pro contract but the likelihood is also present that his production could peak lower than expected. I wouldn't preferred him to go pro by now, after a while there's more to be learned in the pros. Staying in juniors does maximize value for a while but eventually you have to be a rookie sometime

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2016/m…-eighth-overal/

Word has it that Dominic Zwerger is indeed returning to Spokane, which baffles me to say the least, he has nothing to gain from another year of Juniors, except perhaps more time to get a qualifying AHL offer.

Zitat von VilPat

Wenn das so stimmt dann gehören alle SLO Teams aus sämtlichen Ligen (EBEL, IAHL, EBYSL, EBJL,...) ausgeschlossen.
Tut mir zwar Leid um den Nachwuchs und Jesenice aber erpressen geht mal garnicht.

Is it the whole system? If so then that's not blackmail, that's suicide. That would be the end of Slovenian hockey as a program with any power or repute. The question to ask is almost who did not come from the EBEL system. Ziga Jeglic, Rok Ticar, Ken Ogranjesek, Miha Verlic, Robert Sabolic, Ziga Pance, Gasper Kroselj, Ales Kranjc, David and Marcel Rodman, Luka Gracnar, all spent time in the EBEL when they were young players developing their games before they became marketable to foreign leagues or higher paid teams in the EBEL. This could kill Slovenian hockey. I personally don't have a problem with that.

Can Mac Budapest get in or has Szekesferhaver won that battle as well?

Zitat von Ösi-Power

ich bin neugierig auf den kader für die olympia-quali. wird eine verjüngte Mannschaft daran teilnehmen, mit der man null Chancen hat das turnier zu gewinnen, diese aber Erfahrung sammelt und bei der div 1a wm vielleicht davon profitieren kann, oder versucht man mit dem bestmöglichen spielermaterial die, trotzdem sehr kleine, siegchance zu wahren. sehr schwierige Entscheidung mmn.

Most people give us between a 20-30% chance of winning. Most people also don't know that we have no clue who our Head Coach is going to be.

Zitat von nic.del

every hockey fan is making this mistake once in his lifetime, thinking that we can beat the french easily, just because they their domestic league is not that good, and they dont have big names in their roster.
but we keep loosing against them again and again, and they stay in the top division year after year, this cant be coincidence.

I've always called the French team the "try-hard" team, which is an American phrase to describe the one kid who takes everything too seriously and tries far too hard on something that they should save their energy on. They have big names, and they actually bring their big names every year. First of all they don't bring many local leaguers...they bring ECHL, NLB, Mestis, Norweigan leaguers and Polish leaguers before they bring local leaguers. Usually they have less than 10 local leaguers, out of a 23 man squad. Austria for example brought 17 local leaguers for a 22 man squad this year. Their success can in no way be attributed to local leaguers. This is the first year in 6 years that they don't have Roussel. They've had Da Costa 2 of the last 3 meetings, and with one exception Bellemare has shown in every WC since 2005. Damien Fleury and Teddy Da Costa have played every WC since 2009, and Charles Bertrand has been at every game vs. Austria since he was a junior. This is the first year in my memory where France hasn't brought an almost-representative roster. Michael Raffl has played in 3 of the last 7 WCs. Thomas Raffl has missed 2 of the last 4 WHCs. Michael Grabner has never played in an WHC. Thomas has represented Austria at a WC once in the last 7 years. Brian Lebler has only been eligible for 1 WHC. I think you get the trend. It's as I said, we always bring some makeshift conglomeration of players and they bring their big guns, who is supposed to win? They may not be legendary but they are not Hungary, we can't bring a ragtag band and expect to beat them. If the Sochi roster had been present it wouldn't be close.

Zitat von Langfeld#17

@'kabidjan14: Have you ever watched some Ligue Magnus Games? Pretty interesting League. Lower numbers of imports and a lot of youth player. A team just plays about 30 games in the regular season, but french (youth) players do play PP and PK as well. Hopefully the EBEL will someday be a bit more the Ligue Magnus.

I haven't watched it but I know it is lower quality than the EBEL, as well as being lower in attendance and profitability. Usually the French squad features less than 10 players from their domestic league (this year is an exception without Stephane da Costa, Antoine Roussel, Kevin Hecquefeuille). Their team includes players from the ECHL, NLB, and Polish, and Norwegian league over local leaguers. I'm not sure why we would model our league after a country that is arguably weaker than us. Before this year they always managed to have Da Costa, Roussel, and Bellemare (poor playoff luck) so of course they would have the upper hand similar to if we brought Vanek, Raffl, and Grabner then we would beat them easily. Also, the French league is a road to nowhere. Players have gone from the EBEL to the NHL, the SHL, NLA, DEL, Allsvenskan, etc. Because of the poor quality of the Ligue Magnus it is a road to nowhere, and that is not a good thing for the National Team.

The NHL has more imports than any other league. But taking it closer to home, Germany's DEL averages 13 imports per team. The DEL is a very high level of hockey, and attracts the most fans of any European league every year. German players get playing time and feature heavily in the powerplay and on the National team. Other leagues like the SHL and NLA have around 8 imports per team. The reduction of imports should not be forced, it should be natural. Take Curtis Loik for an example. Average NCAA player with zero senior level experience but wants to come to the EBEL and be paid likely around 70-100k euros a season. The other option you have is Stefan Gaffal, also played in junior hockey and wants to play in the EBEL but would likely accept only 30-40k euros as a starting salary. If Loik were not (significantly) better than Gaffal he would never be considered because of the salary he demands, but unfortunately he is. I want as much as anyone for local players to supplant imports in the system, however, I think change happens by addressing the problem (poor player development outside of Youth NT players), and not the symptom (many imports). I think Florian Baltram, Alexander Cijan, and Christof Kromp will soon get their shots, as well as maybe Felix Maxa and Benjamin Nissner. I also hope that Maximilian Hohenegg gets his chance, and I think he will.

Eventually the number of imports has to go down because the quality of Austrian youth produced goes up, not because it is forcibly repressed. The league with the most imports per team in the world is the NHL, more imports doesn't inherently destroy a national team. The Philadelphia Flyers for instance have 3 Americans. The goal of the league has to be to produce the best hockey. The onus is on youth development to produce youth that are better than the youth we can buy from overseas. It's fairly embarrassing to think Curtis Loik could be an import...he should pay the EBEL club to let him play, not the other way around, but unfortunately this has been the state of player development...

Haha, it's cool, just letting you know I wasn't trying to wreck the thread or anything. Progress is still of course slow, but eishockeyforum is the #1 source of signatures so far so yay us go team lol

Do you know any updates though? Like is the government responding or does is seem like anything might be done?

Zitat von nordiques!

2) Please (for the future) discuss this topic in a thread in the Red Bull part in this forum. Because I think the wish & need and petition for a real ice-arena in Mödling is so more urgent and important, therefore to use this thread and space to wonder about possible RB-Arenas in Wals-Siezenheim, Koppl or wherever is a little way off the topic and not very helpful for the Mödling-petition (yes a petition, not a survey), too. Thanxs.

The original article I posted here was about building hockey rinks in general, and Salzburg came up in conversation which I am fine with.

Zitat von gm99

Joseph Haydn wasn't born in Salzburg. He was born in Lower Austria, died in Vienna and spent most of his life in Eisenstadt.
Probably the only time he ever visited Salzburg was for the inauguration of the Volksgarten arena

Woops, it was Johann Haydn my bad. And that's actually pretty cool to think about, that you are playing in a stadium with that much history. And very ironic given our conversation haha

Just curious, is there any update on the survey this thread was originally made for?

Zitat von nic.del

ok, that would be a little bit too far away.
but i could imagine a new arena in liefering or siezenheim, well connected to the center with a tram or something like that, but yeah i doubt we will see something like that in the near future.

I actually just found this article. Plans to build a 7000-8000 seater stadium in Liefering 5 years ago with a plot of land they had. Ultimately that land became the location of the new Red Bull Academy, but I think relocation is probably something on the minds of the Owners/operators.
http://m.sportnet.at/home/winterspo…653719/index.do

Zitat von spieleragent

It is. But only because every venue they use for the Salzburg Festival was built between 500 and 100 yrs ago. If they had to build something new they would't have anything.

Yeah, unfortunately it seems most people on the outside think of Salzburg as an antique treasure, while others have to actually to live in it. I for my part knew that Haydn and Mozart were Austrian but was surprised to learn they were born in the hockey town of Salzburg haha

Zitat von nic.del

ok, that would be a little bit too far away.
but i could imagine a new arena in liefering or siezenheim, well connected to the center with a tram or something like that, but yeah i doubt we will see something like that in the near future.

Siezenheim sounds like a great idea. I read it's the largest municipality in Austria. It's far off of course but if Salzburg keeps winning championships they'll need a bigger roof to house all the fans, and also tapping into the largest municipality wouldn't be a bad idea at all.

Zitat von nic.del

due to its status as a unesco world heritage, its always a long or even never ending process until something gets build in salzburg.

I see. I feel like that would be a problem for a lot of Austria, living alongside insensitive tourists and people who would prefer to think of functional cities as historical landmarks. What would be the result of potentially building slightly outside of Salzburg? Like perhaps in Koppl?

Zitat von spieleragent

This expansion will be a very small one though. The Volksgarten itself has one advantage: it's in the center of the city. But that's all. It's not just too small (meaning too few seating areas) but it also offers very little comfort. It is far too cold inside, the first 4 rows on the A stand can't see shit, the selection of food is meh, you can't find parking lots near the arena ...
But I can't see that anything will change in the near future. Simply because there is no space left in the city and the city itself isn't interested in professional sports.

Ah, isn't Salzburg a music city or something? Hopefully success brings a following. If there was a large arena in Salzburg they would hold events there too.

Zitat von spieleragent

I think they're only referring to updates they made on their websites. So maybe added new pictures, changed the capacity after minor renovations or changes, etc. There will be btw an enlargement of the VIP area in the Volksgarten in Salzburg and one or two additional rows on the upper end of the A stand. So the capacity will be a little higher next season.

That's good to hear. I was wondering if new local rinks are being built as well but website updates makes sense. It also makes sense to expand the Volksgarten, I never understood why it is so small. Salzburg is a powerhouse in the EBEL, you would think they would have one of the larger arenas.

Can anyone make more sense of this article than I can? It says updates have been made to Austrian stadium construction, is that just the Graz project or are there other rinks in the making?
http://www.stadionwelt.de/sw_stadien/index.php?head=Baureport-Update-58-neue-Projekte-hinzugefuegt-&folder=sites&site=news_detail&news_id=14100

Zitat von gm99

The few people who have anything like a passion for the national ice hockey team will probably all be in Latvia for the Olympic qualifications and you'll be hard pressed to even find a bar that will show the games. This board is in no way indicative of the interest in the national team, most people don't really care, even a lot of Austrian hockey fans only ever care for their club, not the national team (as evidenced by the dismal spectator numbers in Innsbruck during February's EIHC tournament, and also in Vienna in the games against Hungary and Italy in the lead-up to the Div.Ia. tournament). Only the games against Germany garner some interest because of the rivalry between the two countries, but then again, even a freestyle frisbee throwing contest between these two would be of interest to the general population.

Yeah, the Austria-Germany rivalry is pretty cool. I've definitely noticed that there's more club interest than NT interest. I guess that happens for some sports, perhaps I'll have to wait until the Olympic Winter games haha, then I'm sure they'll show it in the bars.

Zitat von nordiques!

@kabidjan14 One question: what's your position in hockey? Cause comments like 'Some of the individual rankings are debatable of course, but the premise of the chart is not' (mentioned above) sound like you feel very sure, that you know more about that stuff than most of us. Or is this only related to football? ('Most of the fans and writers of the local football team have no idea about the inner workings of the team but are extremely opinionated, and I'm fine with that because even though I have obviously more information than they do ...')

That comment is asking the reader to observe the general meaning of the chart and not get tied up in semantics. I did not spend, for example 12 hours on this chart. Thus it's not a bullet-proof ranking system, you could probably argue one player over another, for example, you could argue Starkbaum over Lange, but I'm asking the reader to not focus on it as an individual rankings chart but just to observe the general trend, that the best players are not played. Don't lose sight of the forest for the trees in other words.

The second statement is me saying that I think it's ok for fans to be involved, hyped and invested in the sport. I merely give my own experience in football as an example. I don't find invested fans obnoxious or annoying because they're a big part of the equation. I do not work for the federation if you're wondering, I think that's fairly obvious haha. Do I know more than most of you all? Depends on how much you know, how much you want to know. I probably know as much as it is reasonably possible to know about Austrian hockey (as it relates to the NT) as anyone can from the internet, and a few interviews. You all have a unique advantage that you all live in Austria and can access far more information in person than I can, but if you don't use the resources around you though it is possible I do know more.