würd mich mal interessieren, wie lang eurer meinung nach todd bertuzzi für seine attacke gegen steve moore gesperrt werden sollt (auch in bezug der diskussionen dahier zu den fällen gauthier oder m.hohenberger bei uns)?
für alle, die es net so mitbekommen haben, eine bericht von tsn.ca:
[QUOTE]Zitat
Avs' Moore taken off on stretcher
Canadian Press
3/9/2004
VANCOUVER (CP) - Derek Morris didn't mince words Monday night.
The Colorado defenceman called Todd Bertuzzi's vicious hit from behind on Avalanche rookie Steve Moore a disgusting, pre-meditated act.
``It was disgusting,'' an angry Morris said. ``There's not other word for that.
``I've never seen anything like that in my seven years of playing hockey (in the NHL).''
Late in the third period of Colorado's convincing 9-2 win, Bertuzzi came up behind Moore, grabbed the back of Avalanche player's sweater and delivered a round-house swing with his gloved right hand that struck Moore's head. Moore fell head first to the ice under the weight of Bertuzzi, who came down on top of him at the 8:41 mark.
A pool of blood formed around Moore's head as he lay motionless on the ice. A stretcher was wheeled out and after a delay of nearly 10 minutes the 25-year-old native of Windsor, Ont., was taken off for medical attention.
Moore was conscious and talking to medical staff when he left the ice on a stretcher and was taken to hospital. Canucks general manager Brian Burke was told Moore had concussion-like symptoms and is expected to stay in hospital until at least Wednesday.
Hours after the incident, the NHL issued a release stating Bertuzzi had been suspended indefinitely - without pay - and that a hearing would be conducted Wednesday morning at the league's Toronto office.
Morris compared the attack to one in which former Canuck Donald Brashear was clubbed by a stick-swinging Marty McSorley, who was suspended by the NHL and has not played in the league again.
``The Brashear incident was obviously another thing that was bad but this was pre-meditated,'' Morris said. ``This is the worst thing I've seen.''
Bad blood between the two teams had been simmering since Moore's hit on Vancouver captain Markus Naslund during a game Feb. 16 in Denver. That resulted in Naslund suffering a concussion that cost him three games.
Moore wasn't penalized for the hit and the league took no action. That was of little solace at the time to Vancouver coach Marc Crawford, who called Moore's hit ``a cheap shot by a young kid on a captain, the leading scorer in the league.''
Bertuzzi received a 10-minute match penalty for his hit on the Avalanche centre Monday.
Colorado coach Tony Granato was seen screaming at Crawford and had to be restrained at his team's bench.
Granato said after the game Crawford was responsible for the actions of his team during the fight-filled game that drew 156 minutes in penalties, 99 to Vancouver.
``Three or four times we stood our ground like we had to and that thing happened to put an exclamation point on probably what they were trying to accomplish,'' said Granato. ``Something was said on their side. You just don't go out and start fighting for the fun of it.
``I didn't like the body language,'' Granato said of the Canuck coaching staff. ``I didn't like the way the whole thing transpired. There's no need for that, let's face it.''
Morris accused Crawford of laughing about the incident.
``The worst thing about it is their coach is over there laughing about it and that just shows the class of that guy,'' he said.
Naslund said after the game no player wants to see an opponent injured and that Bertuzzi felt awful about the incident.
''Obviously I think we all feel bad about someone getting hurt,'' Naslund said. ``It's a bad feeling when someone gets seriously injured like that.
``Todd feels awful about it and is very sorry. I know it might not mean much right now. As weird as it seems I don't think that was Todd's intentions.''
Bertuzzi, who was suspended 10 games two years ago for coming off the bench to join an on-ice fight, was unavailable for comment after the game.
Canuck forward Brad May, who said earlier there was a bounty on Moore for his hit on Naslund, agreed the game got out of hand.
``This game took a life of its own; it shouldn't have,'' said May who scored both Vancouver goals. ``For two-and-a-half to three weeks there's been a lot of talk.
``Not in both lockerooms. That's all I'm going to say.''
Colorado captain Joe Sakic said the incident took away from a solid performance by the Avalanche, who lost 7-1 at home the night before to Calgary.
``It was an ugly incident and it really puts a damper on the whole game,'' said Sakic had a goal and three assists. ``There's payback but that's not payback. That's going overboard.
``And I'm sure Todd feels bad right now about the result. No player wants to see somebody go down like that.''[/QUOTE]
also wenn man die bilder und das video sieht, würd ich 1 jahr für ziemlich angemessen halten (so wie bei mcsorley), weil bertuzzis aktion war net aus dem spiel heraus, sondern von der aktion her reine absicht (daß er ihn net so schwer verletzen wollt, gesteh ich ihm ja zu - aber dann soll er sowas geistesgetörtes net machen) - und sowas ghört net einmal sonstwo hin, aber mit sicherheit net in eine eishalle!
ich bin ja der meinung, daß strafen nach der schwere der aktion und net unbedingt nur nach den folgen dieser aktion angesetzt werden sollten (weil zu oft kommt wer mit einer geringen oder oft gar keinen strafe davon, weil eben durch glück nix passiert ist) - aber das läßt sich in der praxis kaum umsetzen; somit wären sehr hohe strafen (eben zb 1 jahr sperre) für solche vergehen schon aus dem grund zu befürworten, um als abschreckung für die anderen potentiellen zu dienen - ich glaub schon, daß es einen unterschied macht, ob ein spieler weiß, für so eine tätlichkeitl mit ein paar spielen oder ein paar monaten sperre zu enden ...
wes goldstein auf cbs.sportsline.com:
[QUOTE]Zitat
NHL should come down just as hard on Bertuzzi
March 9, 2004
By Wes Goldstein
Thanks to Todd Bertuzzi, what should have been one of the NHL's most exciting days in recent memory was covered by a cloud the league won't soon be able to shake.
One way to start would be to make him pay severely for his mistake.
The Vancouver Canucks power forward's savage attack on Colorado Avalanche forward Steve Moore on Monday night was the ugliest incident the league has seen since Marty McSorley cracked Donald Brashear over the head with his stick in 2000, and it sadly overshadowed the frenzied activity that was going on during trade deadline day.
Steve Moore lies motionless on the ice after being hit from behind by Todd Bertuzzi.(AP)
The NHL has been creating a bit of a buzz, at least by its standards, in the past 10 days with a wild selloff of top-shelf talent. Anticipating a salary cap when a new collective bargaining agreement is eventually reached, teams who will miss the playoffs have been dumping salary in deals that seemed to get better each passing day.
While many big names had already changed teams by deadline day, there were rumors about several stars, including Chris Pronger, Miroslav Satan and Olaf Kolzig, and a number of other quality players who were expected to go by the deadline. But instead of maximizing the excitement of all the wheeling and dealing, the league was forced to deal with the issue of Bertuzzi's discipline.
Which doesn't seem to be much of a problem since there should be no way around throwing the book at him. Never mind that Bertuzzi isn't considered a goon and is in fact one of the league's top players, or that he is extremely crucial to the Canucks' chances of winning a Stanley Cup this year.
That doesn't matter now. The league has to send a very clear message about how egregious Bertuzzi's actions were and how it cannot be tolerated in the least. The precedent was set four years ago when McSorley was suspended for the balance of the regular season and the playoffs.
While Bertuzzi didn't use his stick on Moore, he sucker-punched him from behind and then rammed him into the ice face first in what clearly a premeditated move that, in the eyes of investigating Vancouver police, might be considered criminal.
Moore, a 25-year-old Harvard grad used mainly as a checker by Colorado, had a "bounty" put on his head by Vancouver players after he checked Markus Naslund three weeks ago, causing the Canucks captain to miss three games with a concussion.
The hit wasn't penalized and the league decided no subsequent disciplinary action was required, but the Vancouver team obviously wouldn't let it go. Despite the fact that Monday night's game was crucial in the teams' neck-and-neck battle for the Northwest Division title, Vancouver's Matt Cooke wasted little time getting into a fight with Moore during the first period.
By the third period, Colorado had blown the game wide open and the Canucks decided there was no more point to controlling themselves. And when Moore refused to be goaded into another fight with Cooke, Bertuzzi went off and jumped the Colorado player.
After the game, stunned Vancouver players tried to defend their teammate, even if they were defending the action.
"Todd is very sorry," Naslund said. "He obviously gave him a sucker punch but he feels really awful about it right now."
"Think what you want, but Todd Bertuzzi is a good man," added Brad May. "He tried to do the right thing, without a doubt the right thing. It went sour."
Exactly. And Moore is lying in a Vancouver hospital with a concussion, a neck fracture, deep facial lacerations and abrasions to the forehead, right cheek and upper lip. He is not yet in condition to be flown back to Colorado for further treatment.
That's why Bertuzzi has to feel the full wrath of the league's disciplinary office. Otherwise the league might as well sell itself as the modern-day version of the movie Slapshot.
NHL VP Colin Campbell, who is responsible for deciding suspensions, has to use McSorley's punishment as a guide. If it helps, he can take into account how insufficient the 12-game suspension then-Los Angeles Kings forward Matt Johnson received in 1998 for his blindside swing against New York Rangers defenseman Jeff Beukeboom.
Johnson, now with the Minnesota Wild, ended Beukeboom's career with that blow.
Hopefully, Moore's fate will be better than that. He is out for the rest of the season. Bertuzzi should be as well. [/QUOTE]
meinungen dazu?
für alle, die es net so mitbekommen haben, eine bericht von tsn.ca:
[QUOTE]Zitat
Avs' Moore taken off on stretcher
Canadian Press
3/9/2004
VANCOUVER (CP) - Derek Morris didn't mince words Monday night.
The Colorado defenceman called Todd Bertuzzi's vicious hit from behind on Avalanche rookie Steve Moore a disgusting, pre-meditated act.
``It was disgusting,'' an angry Morris said. ``There's not other word for that.
``I've never seen anything like that in my seven years of playing hockey (in the NHL).''
Late in the third period of Colorado's convincing 9-2 win, Bertuzzi came up behind Moore, grabbed the back of Avalanche player's sweater and delivered a round-house swing with his gloved right hand that struck Moore's head. Moore fell head first to the ice under the weight of Bertuzzi, who came down on top of him at the 8:41 mark.
A pool of blood formed around Moore's head as he lay motionless on the ice. A stretcher was wheeled out and after a delay of nearly 10 minutes the 25-year-old native of Windsor, Ont., was taken off for medical attention.
Moore was conscious and talking to medical staff when he left the ice on a stretcher and was taken to hospital. Canucks general manager Brian Burke was told Moore had concussion-like symptoms and is expected to stay in hospital until at least Wednesday.
Hours after the incident, the NHL issued a release stating Bertuzzi had been suspended indefinitely - without pay - and that a hearing would be conducted Wednesday morning at the league's Toronto office.
Morris compared the attack to one in which former Canuck Donald Brashear was clubbed by a stick-swinging Marty McSorley, who was suspended by the NHL and has not played in the league again.
``The Brashear incident was obviously another thing that was bad but this was pre-meditated,'' Morris said. ``This is the worst thing I've seen.''
Bad blood between the two teams had been simmering since Moore's hit on Vancouver captain Markus Naslund during a game Feb. 16 in Denver. That resulted in Naslund suffering a concussion that cost him three games.
Moore wasn't penalized for the hit and the league took no action. That was of little solace at the time to Vancouver coach Marc Crawford, who called Moore's hit ``a cheap shot by a young kid on a captain, the leading scorer in the league.''
Bertuzzi received a 10-minute match penalty for his hit on the Avalanche centre Monday.
Colorado coach Tony Granato was seen screaming at Crawford and had to be restrained at his team's bench.
Granato said after the game Crawford was responsible for the actions of his team during the fight-filled game that drew 156 minutes in penalties, 99 to Vancouver.
``Three or four times we stood our ground like we had to and that thing happened to put an exclamation point on probably what they were trying to accomplish,'' said Granato. ``Something was said on their side. You just don't go out and start fighting for the fun of it.
``I didn't like the body language,'' Granato said of the Canuck coaching staff. ``I didn't like the way the whole thing transpired. There's no need for that, let's face it.''
Morris accused Crawford of laughing about the incident.
``The worst thing about it is their coach is over there laughing about it and that just shows the class of that guy,'' he said.
Naslund said after the game no player wants to see an opponent injured and that Bertuzzi felt awful about the incident.
''Obviously I think we all feel bad about someone getting hurt,'' Naslund said. ``It's a bad feeling when someone gets seriously injured like that.
``Todd feels awful about it and is very sorry. I know it might not mean much right now. As weird as it seems I don't think that was Todd's intentions.''
Bertuzzi, who was suspended 10 games two years ago for coming off the bench to join an on-ice fight, was unavailable for comment after the game.
Canuck forward Brad May, who said earlier there was a bounty on Moore for his hit on Naslund, agreed the game got out of hand.
``This game took a life of its own; it shouldn't have,'' said May who scored both Vancouver goals. ``For two-and-a-half to three weeks there's been a lot of talk.
``Not in both lockerooms. That's all I'm going to say.''
Colorado captain Joe Sakic said the incident took away from a solid performance by the Avalanche, who lost 7-1 at home the night before to Calgary.
``It was an ugly incident and it really puts a damper on the whole game,'' said Sakic had a goal and three assists. ``There's payback but that's not payback. That's going overboard.
``And I'm sure Todd feels bad right now about the result. No player wants to see somebody go down like that.''[/QUOTE]
also wenn man die bilder und das video sieht, würd ich 1 jahr für ziemlich angemessen halten (so wie bei mcsorley), weil bertuzzis aktion war net aus dem spiel heraus, sondern von der aktion her reine absicht (daß er ihn net so schwer verletzen wollt, gesteh ich ihm ja zu - aber dann soll er sowas geistesgetörtes net machen) - und sowas ghört net einmal sonstwo hin, aber mit sicherheit net in eine eishalle!
ich bin ja der meinung, daß strafen nach der schwere der aktion und net unbedingt nur nach den folgen dieser aktion angesetzt werden sollten (weil zu oft kommt wer mit einer geringen oder oft gar keinen strafe davon, weil eben durch glück nix passiert ist) - aber das läßt sich in der praxis kaum umsetzen; somit wären sehr hohe strafen (eben zb 1 jahr sperre) für solche vergehen schon aus dem grund zu befürworten, um als abschreckung für die anderen potentiellen zu dienen - ich glaub schon, daß es einen unterschied macht, ob ein spieler weiß, für so eine tätlichkeitl mit ein paar spielen oder ein paar monaten sperre zu enden ...
wes goldstein auf cbs.sportsline.com:
[QUOTE]Zitat
NHL should come down just as hard on Bertuzzi
March 9, 2004
By Wes Goldstein
Thanks to Todd Bertuzzi, what should have been one of the NHL's most exciting days in recent memory was covered by a cloud the league won't soon be able to shake.
One way to start would be to make him pay severely for his mistake.
The Vancouver Canucks power forward's savage attack on Colorado Avalanche forward Steve Moore on Monday night was the ugliest incident the league has seen since Marty McSorley cracked Donald Brashear over the head with his stick in 2000, and it sadly overshadowed the frenzied activity that was going on during trade deadline day.
Steve Moore lies motionless on the ice after being hit from behind by Todd Bertuzzi.(AP)
The NHL has been creating a bit of a buzz, at least by its standards, in the past 10 days with a wild selloff of top-shelf talent. Anticipating a salary cap when a new collective bargaining agreement is eventually reached, teams who will miss the playoffs have been dumping salary in deals that seemed to get better each passing day.
While many big names had already changed teams by deadline day, there were rumors about several stars, including Chris Pronger, Miroslav Satan and Olaf Kolzig, and a number of other quality players who were expected to go by the deadline. But instead of maximizing the excitement of all the wheeling and dealing, the league was forced to deal with the issue of Bertuzzi's discipline.
Which doesn't seem to be much of a problem since there should be no way around throwing the book at him. Never mind that Bertuzzi isn't considered a goon and is in fact one of the league's top players, or that he is extremely crucial to the Canucks' chances of winning a Stanley Cup this year.
That doesn't matter now. The league has to send a very clear message about how egregious Bertuzzi's actions were and how it cannot be tolerated in the least. The precedent was set four years ago when McSorley was suspended for the balance of the regular season and the playoffs.
While Bertuzzi didn't use his stick on Moore, he sucker-punched him from behind and then rammed him into the ice face first in what clearly a premeditated move that, in the eyes of investigating Vancouver police, might be considered criminal.
Moore, a 25-year-old Harvard grad used mainly as a checker by Colorado, had a "bounty" put on his head by Vancouver players after he checked Markus Naslund three weeks ago, causing the Canucks captain to miss three games with a concussion.
The hit wasn't penalized and the league decided no subsequent disciplinary action was required, but the Vancouver team obviously wouldn't let it go. Despite the fact that Monday night's game was crucial in the teams' neck-and-neck battle for the Northwest Division title, Vancouver's Matt Cooke wasted little time getting into a fight with Moore during the first period.
By the third period, Colorado had blown the game wide open and the Canucks decided there was no more point to controlling themselves. And when Moore refused to be goaded into another fight with Cooke, Bertuzzi went off and jumped the Colorado player.
After the game, stunned Vancouver players tried to defend their teammate, even if they were defending the action.
"Todd is very sorry," Naslund said. "He obviously gave him a sucker punch but he feels really awful about it right now."
"Think what you want, but Todd Bertuzzi is a good man," added Brad May. "He tried to do the right thing, without a doubt the right thing. It went sour."
Exactly. And Moore is lying in a Vancouver hospital with a concussion, a neck fracture, deep facial lacerations and abrasions to the forehead, right cheek and upper lip. He is not yet in condition to be flown back to Colorado for further treatment.
That's why Bertuzzi has to feel the full wrath of the league's disciplinary office. Otherwise the league might as well sell itself as the modern-day version of the movie Slapshot.
NHL VP Colin Campbell, who is responsible for deciding suspensions, has to use McSorley's punishment as a guide. If it helps, he can take into account how insufficient the 12-game suspension then-Los Angeles Kings forward Matt Johnson received in 1998 for his blindside swing against New York Rangers defenseman Jeff Beukeboom.
Johnson, now with the Minnesota Wild, ended Beukeboom's career with that blow.
Hopefully, Moore's fate will be better than that. He is out for the rest of the season. Bertuzzi should be as well. [/QUOTE]
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