2.R.: KHL Medvescak Zagreb-Klagenfurter AC (Spiel 5)

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    There's no ref problem in the league. Croats have nothing better to do so they are inventing stuff up.


    oh my. If you would read other topics und postings you would check that more than 90% of the austrian fans arn't happy - the exact opposite - with our refs

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    It makes me sad to see how much delusional fans are on this board. So much denial about obvious thing its just - sad.


    Welcome to our board - a board just like any other [winke]
    The only fact which is really sad: (too) many people think their personal opion is correct. Other ones doesn't exist - and there are several buddies also from your club :wacko:

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    oh my. If you would read other topics und postings you would check that more than 90% of the austrian fans arn't happy - the exact opposite - with our refs

    I know. Exactly because of that i'd expect that you would support Croats and Slovenians who first dared to publicly address bad refereeing. Instead you just ignore it when it benefits your club and some of your users insult us and call us whiners.

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    Welcome to our board - a board just like any other [winke]
    The only fact which is really sad: (too) many people think their personal opion is correct. Other ones doesn't exist - and there are several buddies also from your club :wacko:

    Buddies from my club? I was the first one to condemn the stupid kid who was threatening KAC fans with violence. That's probably some 12 year old kid. You cannot seriously judge us all because of that sad looser. Most of the Medveščak fans on this forum are hockey fans just like you and are extremely sad because of what refs are doing to our club. We could've taken the easy road and be quiet about it.. but we are big mouthed and we don't let the injustice just go away. Maybe its cultural difference :)

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    Freedom of speech is alive and kicking in fairy tale land of Austria, eh? God damn us uncivilized Yugos. Banner in Klagenfurt didn't accuse him of corruption. It accused him of being biased for celebrating drunk in KAC's locker room. That is simply NOT ACCEPTABLE behavior for president of the league. But its easier to turn your head on the other side and pretend that this didn't happen. Its all whiny Croats. There's no ref problem in the league. Croats have nothing better to do so they are inventing stuff up. I just hope that something similar will happen to your in near future against some other team. We'll see who will be whining then. It makes me sad to see how much delusional fans are on this board. So much denial about obvious thing its just - sad. After the last game in Zagreb some of the fantastic KAC fans that actually do go to the games were apologizing to us for what was going on in previous matches.


    The freedom of speech doe nost include insults and defamation! Learn the difference. Zagreb fans say, that they lost because Safron was celebrating with KAC Fans. That is freaking ridicoulous. If zagreb would concentrate on playing well, you could win. But you know that you are not good enough to beat us and so you try and use propaganda.

    And seriosly: We know bad referees. Igor Dremelj for example. After he denied us a regular goal someone threw a beer in his neck and his car has been demolished. After thaht the KAC send a video with all his bad decisions against us and the statement that KAC will not play when Dremelj ist assigned as a referee. The next season he was assigned and we played. In every game he was refeering, he denied us at least one regular goal, sometimes two.

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    I am still interested in where this story comes from at all. You could not read a single line in any Austrian newspaper about Safron celebrating in the KAC locker room after Game 2. The only sources I heard of this story were Croatian fans, so I guess it was told during the broadcast? Could you see these pictures on television?

    I do not want to doubt about that but it seems strange to me although because I also have no doubts that Austrian newspapers would have reported about that. My guess is that this story was exaggerated by Croatian media, which wouldnt be any surprise to me because broadcasts are very manipulating there. I remember a broadcast last year where they analyzed a dive of a KAC player 10 minutes during the intermission while they ignored the dives from their own team. And its not much different this year, KAC-Spieler provocate, of course not the own players, nearly every penalty against Zagreb-players are either no penalty or a dive from a KAC player, even if he gets hurt.

    So again, does anybody know more about this story? My guess is that Safron was in the locker room to congrat the team and Croatian media made a big story about that, that he was celebrating with the team and so on. And just in case, this story is not true, Safron would have a reason to go to court indeed, although I wouldnt like him to do that.

    And again, I do not want to state that this story wasnt true at all, I am just wondering why the only source this story comes from are Croatian fans.

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    Zagreb fans say, that they lost because Safron was celebrating with KAC Fans..

    No one said that. Don't lie. Everyone congratulated you on the well deserved victories. We are furious with the referees and league and Safron represents the league. When you are in "war" with refs for months and then their boss goes to celebrate with opposite teams players.. well.. honestly.. is it appropriate?

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    And seriosly: We know bad referees.

    So why are you quiet then? Or even worse.. why are you making fun of the fans who are actually trying to change something for benefit of us all?

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    And seriosly: We know bad referees. Igor Dremelj for example. After he denied us a regular goal someone threw a beer in his neck and his car has been demolished. After thaht the KAC send a video with all his bad decisions against us and the statement that KAC will not play when Dremelj ist assigned as a referee. The next season he was assigned and we played. In every game he was refeering, he denied us at least one regular goal, sometimes two.


    ihr opfer .... mir kommen die tränen

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    No one said that. Don't lie. Everyone congratulated you on the well deserved victories.

    A lot of your buddies said that KAC buyed the games against Zagreb, and that is ridicolous. You could see the reason why Zagreb lost 3 games in the last game, they had simply no chance at all. Zagreb could not have got enough help from the refs to win this game. I really do not think KAC needs any help from the refs if Zagreb does not start to play better immediately. In fact, the series will be over today if Zagreb does not find a way to leverage their game considerably.

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    We are furious with the referees and league and Safron represents the league.

    Well, noone is happy with the refs, every team gets discriminated by the refs from time to time. The reason for this is that refs just do mistakes. Is it really so hard to understand? They do not have any slow motions to reevalute the situation. This even happens in the NHL where the refs are much much better than here.

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    is it appropriate?

    No, it is not! But Safron's behaviour is not the fault of KAC, its not their fault that he likes this team and does not know, how to behave appropriately. But again, I kindly ask you where this information comes from at all? Because there were no reports about this incident in any Austrian newspaper and this is strange.

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    why are you making fun of the fans who are actually trying to change something for benefit of us all?

    No one is making fun. It is just getting boring to read complaints about the refs in nearly every single post of a Croatian fan. You only see your side. You really think KAC is not discriminated by the refs during a game? I could tell you immediately at least two fouls of a Zagreb player in Game 4 which was not penalized. Just concentrate on the other side for one game and you will see that every team has to deal with these problems. This will always be part of this sport, as long as humans are involved in official decisions, just because humans do mistakes.

    And btw, what do you want to change? The refs in our league are not better than they are. The league is trying to improve their ability since this season and I like that. But learning is an ongoing process and it will take some time to notice the positive effects. And again, even with the best refs in the world we would have to deal with wrong decisions.

    Learn to handle it and stop crying about it. In most cases some wrong decisions during a game are not determining the result of the game, it is the performance of the teams in that game. And this, only this, is the reason why the series is 3-1 at the moment.

    Sorry but what Fussi and Dremelj are continuously doing to our club cannot be put in the "everyone does mistakes" basket. It simply cannot. Its not just this games against the KAC. That due has been butchering us for quiet a while. I guess you didn't see enough of our games.

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    pitbull, medo, Слава und das wars schon (fast) mit den kroaten hier im forum.
    jeder fühlt sich verfolgt und glaubt den vorgekauten schwachsinn.

    ich will ja nicht die schirileistung verteidigen. aber 7 siege im playoff nur dank der schiris
    sind ununununmöglich. einen, event. zwei siege lass ich mir - mit vorgehaltener waffe - noch einreden. aber sieben ?(

    kac glen

    Jetzt geht das schon wieder los! :wall: Wenn diesem Thema nicht bald der Riegel vorgeschoben wird, werden damit noch Threads im Sommerloch gefüllt!

    Das ist ein Thread zu einem aktuell bevorstehenden Spiel, bei dem man über Aufstellungen, Spieler und Taktiken diskutieren soll! Wäre nett, wenn sich das mal unsere Kollrgen aus Zagreb zu Herzen nehmen!

    Mich würde jetzt konkret mal interessieren, ob Zyuzin wieder dabei ist. In einem Artikel habe ich gestern gelesen, dass dem so ist (weiß leider nicht mehr, welche Hockeyseite das war), in der Kleinen Zeitung wird aber davon nichts erwähnt.

    Naja zu dem gespamme in der HF-Serie tragen ein paar KAC affine User mindestens gleich viel beim wie die Zagreb-Fans.
    Zu euren Spamorgien gehören immer zwei (und der Superkacler bekleckert sich da nicht gerade mit Ruhm) - würde auf das Geheule keiner eingehen wärs auch gut. Ich versteh nicht warum hier immer versucht wird dem Anderen die eigene Meinung aufzuzwingen.
    Sollen sie doch glauben dass sie nur wegen den Schiris verlieren, ausscheiden werden sie (vermutlich) sowieso.

    Sollte der KAC die Anfangsphase überstehen wars das mit der Serie.

    PS: ich freue mich schon auf iceman wenn der KAC den Meistertitel in Linz feiern wird :D

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    Auf hockeyfans.at habens was von einer immanenten Rückkehr gesprochen, was auch immer damit gemeint sein soll. Der Bedeutung des Worts "immanent" zufolge würde ich es so interpretieren, dass es möglich wäre, dass er spielt, aber nicht sicher. Mal sehen, ich hoffe, er ist dabei und dass sich dabei Siklenka's Eiszeit reduziert oder er an Zyuzin's Seite mit offensiven Freiheiten gepaart wird. Würd Sinn machen, die beiden zusammenzustellen...

    Faires Spiel bis jetzt! Beide Mannschaften etwas vorsichtiger heute mMn, man sieht, dass es heut um sehr viel geht. Trotzdem ein paar gute Chancen auf beiden Seiten.

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    Faires Spiel bis jetzt! Beide Mannschaften etwas vorsichtiger heute mMn, man sieht, dass es heut um sehr viel geht. Trotzdem ein paar gute Chancen auf beiden Seiten.

    Kann man so stehen lassen. Sehr defensiv auf beiden Seiten. Hätte ich so nicht erwartet. Wollen die Bären noch reüssieren sollte man , keine Ahnung wie, einen Weg finden um von den Banden wegzukommen.Da lassen die Rotjacken fast gar nichts zu. Die Verteidigung steht wirklich beeindruckend gut.

    Irgendwie wirkt in punkto tempo und agresivität wenn von kac zagreb auf linz lju umgeschaltet wird wie nhl und chl beim zusehen.

    Unglaublich wie lauwarm in linz gespielt wird - wenn zagreb gebogen ist mach ich mir für die ersten zwei spiele keine sorgen. Bis sich die linzer umgestellt haben - dann kann es eventuell noch spannend werden [kaffee]

    das trikot vermessen lassen?? wie kommt man auf so eine idee?? :huh:

    jetz fangen die bären mit den bösen kopfspielchen an.

    HAHAHA, also das ist ja schon so lächerlich wie das Vermessen damals bei Nordmark. Aber zumindest weiß man ja jetzt wieso Chiodo so viel Scheiben hält :rolleyes: