Beiträge von kabidjan14

  • Nationalteams Nachwuchs

    3 thoughts.

    We haven't won a single PK faceoff yet, and we've been on the PK something like half the game. Winning faceoffs is a huge part of the PK.

    Seeing the Zitz chance on the PK forecheck makes me wonder why he's not out there every time. He's also one of the best face-off guys on the team so, it adds up even less.

    Alex Maxa's primary strength is playing in front of the net on the PP. Why has he never been on the PP? Why is Wallenta screening the net? He's never played in front of the net for Salzburg. I understand Maxa is on the fourth line, but he is the only player on the whole team who can play in front of the net or in the low slot. That's his specialty.

  • Nationalteams Nachwuchs

    Zitat von hockey

    wasn't it last year when we beat Norway in the first match and after that the performance level decreased match by match? looks like the same this year.

    What happened with Souhonens 5 year plan? according to this we should be already 10-12 ranked in IIHF.

    That was the year before. Started the tournament with victories over Germany and Norway. They are teams Austria is tactically predisposed to do well against because they're always the slowest teams, and Austria usually brings, if nothing else, a faster squad. I wouldn't say the performance level decreased, so much as those games the skating advantage was so big it almost looked like Austria was playing 6v5. However, against faster teams where there was not so great a speed advantage, there wasn't enough technical skill, strength, or hockey IQ.

    This year does look a lot like that, but that forward contingent was incomparably better. Lukas Haudum and Christof Kromp were the leaders, but the team also had Christof Wappis, Daniel Wachter, Dario Winkler, on the third line they had Benjamin Nissner, two extremely mobile, powerful and yet skilled forwards in Felix Maxa and Nico Feldner.

    I think it's unfair to blame Bader for being unable to reach the optimistic plan. However, what I am concerned about is IIRC, when Bader came he stated that the focus was all on skating, skating, skating. Austrian hockey punditry love talking about how it's now a skating game, or how important skating is here or there. In past years Austrian punditry would proudly note the teams featured not a single deficient skater. The problem is that this change has been completely inorganic. It's not that skilled Austrian skaters developed better skating so the team was faster, but that skaters were selected for skating almost regardless of skill (unless they were selected for other reasons).

    Hoping for the best against Belarus today, but it could get ugly quickly.

  • Nationalteams Nachwuchs

    I thought Payr was solid. He had one bad pinch in the first period, but other than that I thought he was extremely dependable and whenever he stepped up he was able to put pressure on the defense.

    Baumgartner is still too light, so he doesn't have the strength for puck-possession, but the same could be said of almost all if not all the other forwards. I guess depending on how high the expectations were, he was disappointing. But none of the forwards I would say had a "good" game, Lanzinger had the best game of the group.

    Pusnik is just Pusnik. That's the way he is, and has been as long as I can remember. I don't know why to have expected differently from say, his performance in Vojens.

  • Nationalteams Nachwuchs

    If anyone doubted the quality of the Austrian defense, they should cease to doubt after this game. What a performance, in a game where Germany had probably a 70-30 possession edge, they held Germany to only 22 SOG, with most being long shots from poor angles. Despite the huge German edge in possession, Austria actually outshot Germany 25-22 through 60 because of the play of the defense. Those numbers right there was the game. Germany getting in and then the Austrian defense taking the puck away and the breaking out, forwards unable to control the puck, Germany gets back in again and the Austrian defense is again up to the task, over and over for 65 minutes with only 2 or 3 breakdowns.

    And also, blue-line offense. If the offense comes, especially against high-quality teams like Germany, it will come from the blue line. This game also showed that, with the rebound goal from the Maier point shot and Schreier's great play stepping up. Maier and Payr weren't fantastic per say, but they drew the toughest assignment and were above and beyond the call, Nickl was absolutely terrific, Schreier had the beautiful goal but he was even better, I thought, defensively than offensively. Stuckler, surprisingly, was sound with the puck. Zundel had some huge plays and played in all the big penalty-kill situations. Piff was so-so defensively but he stepped up to gain the zone multiple times.

    If this team is going to be successful to any degree, it's going to be because the sterling quality of the Austrian blue line.

  • Nationalteams Nachwuchs

    The one play aside, defense has been fantastic.

    The forwards either have deficiencies in hands, don't have a shot, or can't skate fast, or some combination of the three, so scoring will be hard to come by. Best chance to score I think is like the first goal. Get it to the point, put a screen on the net, and hope it goes through or there's a juicy rebound.

  • EC Panaceo VSV Saison 2018 / 19

    Zitat von starting sex

    Da muust aber ergänzend folgends sagen

    das sind Richtwerte und in einigen Fällen liegen hier die Summen oft drunter teilweise sogar bei 50 %

    hin und wieder kommt es auch vor dass Elternteile diese Summen teilweise vom Ausbildugnsverein übernehmen dann liegt die Entschädigung natürlich auch weit drunter

    Zitat von schooontn

    Ja, hab eh geschrieben dass auch verzichtet werden kann oder Eltern das übernehmen, hab hier nur mal das Extrembeispiel angeführt. Für Spieler, die dir auch weiterhelfen bzw. die das entsprechende Potential haben wird es aber vermutlich eher selten Preiserlässe geben.

    Thanks! This was very helpful. I have spoken to guys who were in the range of that upper limit you just mentioned, and had a difficult time because of that. I've known others, though, who had significantly smaller sums and were able to pay theirs off on their own. It is rough, but I think on the one hand VSV needs to be more proactive in scouting and recruiting athletes at a younger age when their training fees are still more manageable. An athlete I spoke to today told me you even have to pay training fees for U21 and U22 seasons, not sure if this is true. However, you wait until the guy is 21 and a proven pro, his fee has probably been accruing for a long time. Also, I think athletes need to be looking ahead. You can't blame anyone because no one who is say, 20, 21, 22, saw the situation happening now in Villach 3 years ago when their training fees would have been lower, and made the jump then. However, athletes do need to be looking ahead and thinking "where do I fit in this organization that I'm in 3, 4 years down the line?" In the meantime, for the athletes who can find a way around their training fees, I hope they give a long and hard look at Villach.

  • EC Panaceo VSV Saison 2018 / 19

    Zitat von schooontn

    Wirkliche Wahl haben sie aber zumeist nicht, da für die jungen Spieler eine Ausbildungsentschädigung fällig ist und der VSV (oder ein anderer Verein) sicherlich nicht in der Lage ist, diese für mehrere Spieler (plus Gehalt/Wohnung/Auto) zu übernehmen. Die Entschädigung verfällt erst mit Beginn des 23. Lebensjahres - und wenn man ehrlich ist, aus einem Spieler, der 3-4 Jahre in seinem Stammverein auf der Bank gesessen ist/wenig Spielzeit hatte und mit 22 dann ablösefrei (z.b. nach Villach) wechselt wirst du auch sehr schwer einen Leistungsträger machen können. Möglich ist es vlt, aber im Endeffekt ist es da dann doch schon für die weitere Entwicklung relativ spät. Und wenn ein Verein wirklich bereit ist, früher jemanden rauszukaufen, muss ich halt auch sehr gut abschätzen, ob derjenige irgendwann wirklich auf gehobenes EBEL-Niveau kommen wird, da ein (fertiger) Legionär dir sportlich in diesem Zeitpunkt mehr bringt und auch nicht weniger kostet.

    Natürlich gibt es auch die Möglichkeit für die Spieler, sich selbst "frei" zu kaufen, aber das hängt dann halt auch immer von den finanziellen Möglichkeiten der Familie ab.

    You're totally right, and I really want to hear more about this, because this is something that I've discussed with a lot of people but I seem to hear something different from each person, so I will fully admit it is a gap in my knowledge exactly what's going on with player rights. So if an athlete signs a pro contract with a team, regardless of the length of the contract, their rights are owned by that team until they are 23? I've heard people with Alps contracts say they needed buyouts as well, are those also binding? But athletes routinely change clubs prior to 23, so would it be necessary in such a situation either to buyout the contract individually, or for the club to buyout the contract, or for the initial club to release their player rights?

  • EC Panaceo VSV Saison 2018 / 19

    Zitat von Tine

    kabidjan14

    Klingt alles wunderschön, aber dass hohe Einsatzzeiten bei einem Prügelknaben automatisch zu einer Top-Entwicklung führen (winners in the future), ist wohl ein wenig romantisch. Wer sind denn die top-prospects, die derzeit keine Eiszeit bei ihren Klubs erhalten und in Villach stattdessen zu starken Spielern heran reifen würden?

    Ich bin überzeugt davon, dass der VSV abseits eines Sammelbeckens für B-Talente der Liga den Weg mit mehr Imports gehen wird müssen, siehe z. B. Innsbruck, die tolles Offensivhockey spielen. Wenn man so weiter macht, gehen früher oder später die Lichter aus.

    Absolutely, very fair point. Not everyone, perhaps arguably not anyone, can simply become a player of the caliber of the ones mentioned above simply by being afforded an opportunity. However, I feel much of our view is clouded by the circumstances they have been placed in.

    Let's start with a basic rule, "rule #1": If you are clearly the best forward prospect in your respective team. You're probably fine. This is because the points rule usually only allows for somewhere around 7 import forwards and an Austrian, or 6 and 2 Austrians, 5 and 3 Austrians, etc. If you are clearly and distinctly (must be clear and distinct, or it will be musical chairs) the best forward prospect on your team, you will usually at least consistently be top 9, with an injury or two, you'll be on the 2nd powerplay.

    Take the example of Peter Schneider. He was outscored by 5 teammates in the 2011 WJC. Kevin Puschnik, Konstantin Komarek, Markus Pock, Marco Brucker, and Fabio Hofer. All incidentally played for Salzburg at some point within a three year span, including all being at Salzburg in 2012-13. Konstantin Komarek is rule #1, he is the top prospect. He comes back to Salzburg in 2012. Puschnik, I assume, sees the writing in the wall. He moves to Vienna. Bad call, they're as crowded as Salzburg is. He is by no means indisputably the top young Austrian there. Two seasons with Vienna and he's out of the EBEL. 2013-14 passes. This time, it's Fabio Hofer who sees the writing on the wall. He's not bad, he's actually quite promising as we will soon see, but he's not rule #1 in Salzburg. He goes to Linz. Here he walks into a 5+3 situation, 5 legios and 3 Austrians who are expected to be above him (Lebler, Oberkofler, Iberer). As history would have it, he eventually outplays all of them except Lebler. But the important thing is, Hofer is rule #1 in Linz. Even if he doesn't outplay Oberkofler and Iberer, he still gets top 9 minutes, and with a few injuries, he gets 2PP time. Komarek is rule #1 in Salzburg, Hofer is rule #1 in Linz, both have breakout seasons in 2014-15. Brucker and Pock stay in Salzburg. They aren't legios, they aren't established Austrians like Raffl and Latusa, and they aren't rule #1. Predictably, both of them have fairly lackluster seasons. At this point Pock moves back home to Klagenfurt. He's clearly not rule #1 in Klagenfurt, if there even is room for one, as some clubs with stronger Austrian contingents sometimes don't. That's his last EBEL season. Brucker stays another year in Salzburg, he wasn't going to be the rule #1 and that was a year where there wasn't even room for a rule #1. He's become an EBEL journeyman since.

    Which brings me back to Peter Schneider. Schneider was not as prolific as any of those five individuals as a 19 year old. But what did he have? He had a better development track. I actually followed him quite avidly at the time. He went to the NCAA, a manageable step up from the USHL, where he took on increasing responsibilities from year to year, until he was a comfortable player at that level. Next, he went to the ECHL. He slowly earned his keep in the ECHL, beginning as a middle-six player, until he was dominating the ECHL when he left. He arrived in Vienna with a statistical profile like many imports. He was given a shot in the EBEL because of the level to which he had already developed in the ECHL, and he took that and developed further from a good EBEL scorer into someone some Austrian pundits would go to bat for as an elite scorer in the league. At 19, he was less prolific than the 5. Now in his prime, there are arguments to be made for either he or Hofer as the most dangerous forward behind only Komarek. I wonder what the others might have been like if they hadn't stacked up in Salzburg during key years of their development. Perhaps, with the benefit of hindsight we might be tempted to say "they never had a chance to be good EBEL players", but do we really know that? If they had gone to a club where they could have, like Hofer, been rule #1, is it inconceivable? Do we know that players like Alexander Cijan or Peter Hochkofler couldn't have become EBEL stars? I'm not leaning towards yes. Perhaps it's true, but there's certainly the possibility that it isn't.

    This is also where scouting comes into play. I understand it was for financial reasons, but the "youth movement" declaration felt a bit disingenuous to me because no scouting or recruiting was involved. If one only offers athletes with proven track records, then those same athletes will be wanted by bigger, richer clubs, and one will either fully miss out on talents or only get athletes other teams intentionally passed on. Scouting is the way you can truly try to make predictions about who could be your Jeglic, Sabolic, Ticar.

    Villach has 5 imports (counting Goumas as the Trivino replacement). They have no well-established Austrians (unless you count Petrik...Spannring...). That means there are potentially multiple top 6 spots up for competition, multiple PP spots up for competition, perhaps up to 4 top 9 spots up for competition and all of this is before injuries, which are inevitable. As I mentioned before, some athletes are tied up in long-term rights disputes (I need clarification on the specific parameters of this). But there are a lot of young athletes, either on 4th lines (before injuries) or even on farmteams, who I didn't mention above. They should and will be watching the goings-on in Villach very closely... Hopefully, depending on their circumstances with player rights, they might get a shot.

  • EC Panaceo VSV Saison 2018 / 19

    Zitat von goodoldtimes

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    Haha sorry, I didn't express myself very well. I'm sure the city is very beautiful. I was trying to be sarcastic and say "how bad of a place must this be that players are ruining their careers to stay away from it."

    Zitat von Wodde77

    One simple Answer:

    Money...and maybe the Chance to win Championship of the EBEL.

    2 Things that are FAR away from Villach in the near Future when the Management will continue this „way“

    Most young athletes will say money is a secondary concern for them. Whether that is actually the case is another story. But it should be a secondary concern. The amount of money a young zero-pointer in a rich club makes more than the amount a young zero-pointer in Villach makes is insignificant compared to the amount that one stands to gain over the span of a career if one develops one's game well, or the amount one stands to lose out on if one never develops.

    Players do bring up championship potential a lot, which I don't understand. I suppose the feeling of losing is unpleasant, but I can't imagine the feeling of winning a trophy from the sidelines is much better...

    Even now I'm not the EBEL aficionado most of you all are, but back then I wasn't even into Austrian hockey. Perhaps some of you were, and remember it differently, but I dug into the annals a bit. Tried to research an EBEL legend I'd heard.

    From 2009-2011, one team had the honors of being the worst team in the EBEL. HK Jesenice was the worst team in the EBEL. They didn't have incredible legios like Graz, Vienna, Salzburg, Linz. They weren't stacked to the brim with local stars still in their prime. They had a 21 year old forward who, in the previous season, had not been given serious responsibilities. They brought in a 21 year old forward who had been tearing up the local circuit. They brought in a 20 year-old forward fresh from juniors in Sweden who, like many Austrians and Slovenians since, failed to earn a spot on his Swedish senior side. They put them together. Game them responsibilities, gave them playing time and opportunities. Over two seasons, those forwards got a chance to develop their respective games.

    They got destroyed, unequivocally. They finished 9th of 10 teams, then 10th of 10 teams. Over 2 seasons they gave up 92 more goals than they scored. The club lost so much it folded not long after. HDD Jesenice is now an AlpsHL club.

    You probably know the story already. "The Jesenice line." Those three youths were Ziga Jeglic, Robert Sabolic, and Rok Ticar. 587 career KHL games. 272 career KHL points. 13 seasons worth of KHL contracts, and contracts in many other leagues in Europe like the DEL, Liiga, the Czech Extraliga, and more.

    Times have changed, yes. The situation is not quite the same, yes. Those players did not have the opportunity to make the right decision. It was, for them, the only possibility, and it just so happened that they were what the club, and Slovenian hockey, needed at the time. Three less talented younsters, or a different club situation at the time, and things wouldn't have transpired the way they did.

    But young Austrian players today have a choice. They can choose whether or not they want to compete for prime playing time in the EBEL in Villach, or sit on the sidelines and hope that there are a slew of injuries so they just might make the fourth line of a richer club. They can choose between a chance at development for the future, or take the cash up front. They can get accustomed to the feeling of losing right now so that they might win big at the contract negotiation table later, or they can take the wins now and celebrate if the imports and senior players on their team are able to bring home a championship. They can have the pride of knowing that their club is a winning club, or the pride of knowing that they're going to be winners themselves some day.

    And some players have already found their niche in their clubs. By some players, I mean Benjamin Nissner. That's wonderful. More power to him. Others need to really think long and hard about what type of future they see for themselves in the clubs that they are in, and how going to Villach might improve that.

  • EC Panaceo VSV Saison 2018 / 19

    The top young Austrian talents should be breaking down the door to play in Villach, this past off-season or next off-season. I don't know what makes the city so unlivable that no one wants to go there, maybe it's because there are too many fans there who bicker about hockey. I know some athletes are stuck in long-term contracts. However, any and all others should really consider.

    There's a dream that needs to die a hard death, that coaches of other, richer, clubs will just one day wake up and decide "look the local boys are trying pretty hard, let's reduce the foreign contingent from X to X/2", not because it isn't a beautiful dream, but because it's not going to happen.

    Players need playing time to develop. Period. That's why there's the AHL. That's why NHL teams loan players to top European clubs in top European leagues. No, the Alps Hockey League doesn't count. Local players need to equal or surpass potential imports in skill in order to supplant them. Without playing time in a competently strong league, players simply don't develop. That's a known and recognized fact. And if they don't develop, they will never reach that level, they will not even catch the aging Austrians who grew up and were able to develop in the era before Legios ruled all.

    I don't know why so many talented Austrians insist on sitting in line in various clubs where they know they're not going to get any meaningful playing time, waiting for a turn that will never come (because a playing time isn't turn-based, but skill-based). Villach may be a horrible city to live in, I don't know, never lived there, but if one is serious about their career, it's the best and arguably the only option.

  • David Maier @ Peterborough Petes

    He's getting his current totals on an average of less than 10 minutes a game, including a scratch. His team plays an archaic style, where one defenseman is always standing at the netfront. So, having an offensive defensemen then is more "risky", or so is the theory, but beyond mere speculation there is no hard evidence that he is less defensively capable than his teammates (in fact, there is much to the contrary). Nevertheless, that is the flawed logic behind why North Bay's best offensive defenseman (by a wide margin) gets so little ice time.

    If he had 20+ minutes per game like he deserved, I am very confident he would be over PPG. In any case, he made the CS Players to watch list. I think whichever team takes a gamble on him will be extremely lucky.

  • Top 5 (+1) Österreichische Prospects

    Zitat von five-hole

    Bat einmal einen recht bekannten österreichischen Spielervermittler um eine Meinung über den einen oder anderen österreichischen Nachwuchsgoalie. Seine Antwort war, dass er, als ehemaliger Feldspieler, einfach zu wenig spezifisches über goalies i.e.S. aussagen kann. Das war, wie ich finde, sehr ehrlich von ihm!

    Kabidjan 14 oder Herr Freimüller stehen da natürlich drüber 🙉

    I've been told this story a couple times before, and it comes across to me as self-comforting...

    If you really believe you, or anyone in your community, have some knowledge on Austrian goaltenders that isn't being adequately expressed by existing outlets then by all means, write your thoughts, publish them, promote them. I'll read it. I'll even promote it. We're all on the same team, and I'm not above anyone else from an authoritative perspective, your word can be just as good as mine if you decide to put pen to paper.

    But the facts are clear. There are clear precedents of Austrian excellence in the skater categories, and clear paths to excellence for Austrian skaters than some Austrian youth are following. Recent athletes like Konstantin Komarek, Alexander Rauchenwald, and more. If you look back on the first Top 5+1, much of it bore out to be true. At the top, Mario Huber, Dominic Zwerger (these two were probably ordered incorrectly), Ali Wukovits, Erik Kirchschlager, all these athletes play important roles for their EBEL/NLA teams and/or the National Team now. If you look at the 97 class, same story. I got a few wrong for sure. Haudum at the top. Wolf is playing an integral role in Villach, plays on the National team. Got a few wrong for sure, it came down to Nissner and Winkler, I took Nissner, clearly I should have taken both. Or Feldner, who now has a prominent role in Salzburg, or Payr, a 2000 born kid who was the first #1 00' born athlete in my rankings and now is a staple in Davos, or Benjamin Baumgartner who also scored recently for Davos and was the first #2 in the 00' rankings or Marco Rossi in the OHL... The skaters could be better. But by and large, the skaters are finding at least some success. Armin Biedermann (I believe) and a few of the other stat-heads on twitter offer an analytical perspective. Guys like Bernd Freimuller are better described as storytellers. They tell narratives, give examples. But both support one thesis, there's simply been no success on the goalie front, whether you want to look at it from a perspective of stories or just cold hard numbers. There's not a single starting Austrian goaltender in any tier 1 hockey team in the world. The goaltenders from 95, 96 (the first class I ranked), 97, 98, only one goalie from those classes has a single, unremarkable, EBEL appearance this season. I wish this weren't the case, but it is.

    I hear rumors about a goaltending revolution. I've yet to see that bear out or even the promise of such, and talking to others (yes, including agents) about events I wasn't witness to is even more depressing. If you believe its coming, I hope you're right. But forgive me, and others, if we take a "believe it when I see it" approach.

  • Top 5 (+1) Österreichische Prospects

    Zitat von Keine Ahnung

    Habe die Spiele der U18 gesehen da stellt sich die Frage wo wahren Kutzer, Rüdisser Kandemir oder Reinbacher . Hätten dem Team sicherlich geholfen.

    Beck is a nice player. But Austria hasn't produced a quality goaltender since Bernhard Starkbaum and I'm supposed to believe that a 172 cm (you say 175, doesn't look like it, but even if so a marginal difference) athlete is going to be the first? Kutzer has got good wheels, pretty good hockey IQ, but at 171 cm I've never seen him do anything that a player like Luis Lindner, who is 178 cm, couldn't do and perhaps even do better. And if the pressed for the rankings today, Lindner wouldn't even make the rankings because the last three slots are taken by players who are key players in the U20 team. Perhaps you doubt how much exposure I've had to the athletes, and that is fair, but if you think the only reason the U20 coaches don't recognize these players is because, after scouting the rest of Austria, they grew too tired and lazy to watch film of the athletes in your vicinity. I simply don't think that's the case.

  • Nationalteams Nachwuchs

    Zitat von RTT15

    The last two years Austria finished the tournament on the second place (with only 1 loss). I cannot see the progress you ment:ironie:

    I'm looking forward:thumbup:

    You are right! My bad, I remembered incorrectly.

    But in my opinion it's always the case with Austria. At the U16 level it's unreasonably difficult to beat even teams like Hungary and Slovenia. U18 level is a bit better but still it's often difficult. At the U20 level there's finally some separation, teams like Germany start to become beatable. And then at the Senior level the team can take points from Switzerland multiple times, and remain in the Elite WC, among other things.

  • Nationalteams Nachwuchs

    Zitat von RTT15

    http://tournament.hockeydata.net/kufsteincup/live/

    Geht es nur mir so, aber (auch im Vergleich mit dem 2002er und 2003er Jahrgang) scheint das eine mehr als durchwachsene Leistung gewesen zu sein.

    Der 2004er Jahrgang ist eher als "guter" bekannt und wurde sogar von zwei Auswahlen "geträumt":/

    IIRC the Kufstein cup usually goes far worse haha

    Austrian teams mature physically later than other teams. This team is actually slightly more physically mature than previous teams, which is perhaps why they kept the margins smaller. When these kids are 19, look out.

  • Alps Hockey League 2018/19

    Zitat von Almöhi

    Nobody is perfect.

    Maybe not the ideal way to do it, but for 18 to 20 year olds this is not always the worst way to succeed in 75 % of the cases.

    In my opinion, the boys should be able to win against their competitors, if they want to reach a place in the ebel

    The opponents are full of players who did not make it.

    And at the moment, contrary to earlier, that looks like they could.:thumbup:


    I don't think it's very good. Especially for teenagers, the psychological effects of being yelled at by your coach in front of your peers compounds heavily. It makes kids afraid of working on the very things they need to improve. For sure some insolent kids take criticism poorly, ignore criticism, or worst of all misconstrue constructive criticisms to be personal attacks. However, I've never known an insolent kid who took criticism better when it was yelled.

    Inevitably, the whole team is not going to be comprised of future EBEL players, so group success may not track individual contribution perfectly, but for sure the older players should be dominating. I think Nico's success thus far in the EBEL illustrates both how competitive it is in Salzburg and how underrated and overlooked Salzburg players are. I'm pretty sick and tired of how they are ignored, and their accomplishments are explained away. Salzburg has a gold mine waiting behind their already-stalwart talent.

  • Alps Hockey League 2018/19

    Zitat von Almöhi

    Ich bin ziemlich beeindruckt wie unser Farmteam spielt. Übermäßige Torgefahr strahlen sie noch nicht aus, aber sonst kann man nicht meckern.

    Nachdem Spieler wie Eder, Wachter, Egger, Kainz, Kittinger, Quaas, Soramies, Baltram, Postel, Lahoda, Winkler, Strodel nicht mehr da sind und jetzt noch Feldner und Wappis kaum mehr zur Verfügung stehen, hätte ich mir nicht erwartet dass sich die eher noch besser schlagen als voriges Jahr.

    Ich sehe zwar keinen Rotter, Nödl Hofer Heinrich oder Komarek in der Mannschaft, aber da muss man dem Trainerteam schon gratulieren.:thumbup:

    Different types of players I would say. We have certainly not seen the best yet from the group, vs. Olimpija was probably the closest. So far too much discontinuity within the lineup, a lot of injuries. As the season goes on they will get better. A lot of the Austrian players have taken huge developmental strides. I'm fairly optimistic. As for their success, Teemu is no doubt the best hockey mind working with juniors in all of Austria, the problem with him is that he doesn't believe any problems cannot be solved by a good screaming session...