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Migross Supermercati Asiago Hockey Saison 2022/2023

  • Lever
  • 3. Juni 2022 um 09:05
  • Hansi79
    LAGREINER
    • 21. Juni 2022 um 15:31
    • #76
    Zitat von PatMan

    Dafür gibt es sicher mehrere Gründe:

    1. Chance für ein Nationalteam zu spielen

    2. Sicherheit, falls seine Verletzung wieder akut wird

    3. Kohle (wird dem Verband sicher einiges kosten)

    Bekommen eigentlich die zwei anderen italienischen Vereine auch Spieler gesponsert oder nur Asiago?

    Wenn sie auch Spieler engagieren, die in dieses Raster fallen, dann werden sie natürlich auch gesponsert. Die Sponsorsumme ist natürlich nicht unendlich...

  • Foxes1933
    KHL
    • 21. Juni 2022 um 15:46
    • #77
    Zitat von PatMan

    Bekommen eigentlich die zwei anderen italienischen Vereine auch Spieler gesponsert oder nur Asiago?

    der hcp nicht. Die verpflichten die Spieler immer zu früh und kommen deswegen nicht in den Genuss des Sponsorings.

  • Odegar1935
    Nationalliga
    • 21. Juni 2022 um 15:47
    • #78

    Hi all , I write in English because i don't speak German. It is very hilarious to read some post, especially from Brunek fans, but let me say that the Italian federation support all the Italian teams in IceHL in the same equally. For sure the Federation doesn't pay the Asiago players, as sure is that the teams from south tyrol receive regional subsidies, this does not happen in Veneto.

    Probably i'll be not an active user due to the language issue, any i hope to read interesting posts abiut the IceHL (thanks to google translator)

    II hope it will be a great seasons for all.

    Forza Asiago

  • MacReady
    Johnny Hockey
    • 21. Juni 2022 um 17:07
    • Offizieller Beitrag
    • #79

    You can also post in English if you want to. We have some other users doing the same, so that's ok. However, welcome to our community! And welcome to the league! :prost:

    • Nächster offizieller Beitrag
  • Power Block
    EBEL
    • 21. Juni 2022 um 17:13
    • #80
    Zitat von Foxes1933

    der hcp nicht. Die verpflichten die Spieler immer zu früh und kommen deswegen nicht in den Genuss des Sponsorings.

    Bruneck hat Konzept, da braucht es keine Almosen ;)

    Na ganz ehrlich schon eine sehr schwindlige Geschichte, schade dassman davor nichtmal in der ICE eine Ruh hat, errinnert an alte Zeiten

  • bruneck73
    Gast
    • 21. Juni 2022 um 17:52
    • #81
    Zitat von Odegar1935

    as sure is that the teams from south tyrol receive regional subsidies, this does not happen in Veneto.

    Che PALLE!!!!

    Solita storia Veneta!!!!

    Auf deutsch: wieder mal eine bescheuerte Aussage aus dem Veneto.... ala die Südtiroler leben auf den Kosten des Staates...

  • bruneck73
    Gast
    • 21. Juni 2022 um 17:56
    • #82
    Zitat von Foxes1933

    der hcp nicht. Die verpflichten die Spieler immer zu früh und kommen deswegen nicht in den Genuss des Sponsorings.

    Also, wer Stefan Mair kennt, der weiss dass er sich auch solche Spielchen nicht einlässt!

    Neue Spieler müssen in sein System passen.... und nicht auf Biegen und Brechen ein vom Staat subventionierter Italo!

  • Hansi79
    LAGREINER
    • 21. Juni 2022 um 18:15
    • #83

    Dann darf man sich aber nicht darüber aufregen, wenn der Standort Bruneck maximal ein internationales Inline-Seniorenturnier veranstalten darf. :whistling:

  • bruneck73
    Gast
    • 21. Juni 2022 um 18:44
    • #84
    Zitat von Hansi79

    Dann darf man sich aber nicht darüber aufregen, wenn der Standort Bruneck maximal ein internationales Inline-Seniorenturnier veranstalten darf. :whistling:

    Ähhhhhh, was soll denn das jetzt bitte heißen???

    Bitte um Erklärung!

    Wird den Patza sicher auch brennend interessieren......

  • helboy
    Hobbyliga
    • 21. Juni 2022 um 19:26
    • #85
    Zitat von bruneck73

    Also, wer Stefan Mair kennt, der weiss dass er sich auch solche Spielchen nicht einlässt!

    Neue Spieler müssen in sein System passen.... und nicht auf Biegen und Brechen ein vom Staat subventionierter Italo!

    Was heißt denn auf solche Spieler? Gibt bestimmt auch solche Spieler, die nach Bruneck passen.

  • bruneck73
    Gast
    • 21. Juni 2022 um 19:47
    • #86
    Zitat von helboy

    Was heißt denn auf solche Spieler? Gibt bestimmt auch solche Spieler, die nach Bruneck passen.

    Wo hab ich geschrieben "solche Spieler"?

    Hab geschrieben "solche Spielchen"

    Und mal sehen ob Mascarin im Herbst die ärztliche Freigabe hat zu spielen.... momentan anscheinend nicht!

    Und nocheinmal: habe ja gesagt dass es per se ein Top-Spieler ist! Viell. schlägt er ja ein und schiesst uns in Grund und Boden!

    Mit "Mair lässt sich auf solche Spielchen nicht ein", meinte ich dass Mair sicher nicht auf Biegen und Brechen einen der 20 Italos aussucht, welche auf der Liste des ital. Verbandes für 2026 stehen.... nur weil sie halt vom Verband mitgezahlt werden!

  • helboy
    Hobbyliga
    • 21. Juni 2022 um 22:18
    • #87

    Sorry mein Fehler!

    Aber wie auch immer, gibt wie gesagt sicher wen der dem HCP gelegen kommen könnte.

  • Foxes1933
    KHL
    • 22. Juni 2022 um 06:20
    • #88

    Wenn der richtige Spieler dabei ist, lässt man sich ganz sicher auf diese Spielchen ein. Der hcp wäre dumm, wenn nicht. Glaube aber weder Bozen noch Asiago holen Spieler, wenn sie nicht in ihr Konzept passen, nur damit der Verband glücklich ist.

    Einem Spieler mit 2 Schulterverletzungen einen 3 Jahresvertrag zu geben ist riskant, aber wenn er verletzungsfrei bleibt ist er eine top Verpflichtung.

  • Lever
    Krauttirschtlfanat
    • 22. Juni 2022 um 08:28
    • #89
    Zitat von Odegar1935

    For sure the Federation doesn't pay the Asiago players

    The president of the federation, Gios, confirmed in several interviews at the beginning of May that there is a project for the 2026 Olympics together with CONI to bring Italian-Canadians of a high playing class to Italy who would normally sign in better leagues. In order for the clubs to be able to afford these players, Gios himself has confirmed that the federation will help the clubs pay for these players. It is easy to see that Mascherin also came to Asiago as part of this project. Without the help of the federation, a player of this class, primarily at this young age, would be completely out of financial reach for Asiago but also for other ICEHL teams.

  • Lever
    Krauttirschtlfanat
    • 22. Juni 2022 um 08:50
    • #90
    Zitat von Foxes1933

    Wenn der richtige Spieler dabei ist, lässt man sich ganz sicher auf diese Spielchen ein. Der hcp wäre dumm, wenn nicht.

    Glaube ich eher nicht. Wenn man wirklich von diesem Plan angetan wäre, hätte man auch heuer schon darauf zurückgegriffen, hat man aber nicht. Die Verpflichtung des Co-Trainers, der am Aufbau der Akademie mitwirken will, zeigt, welche Wege man einschlagen will.

    Das Einbürgern dieser Italos bringt zwar kurzfristig einen erheblichen Qualitätssprung, langfristig bringt's aber nix. Nach 2026 fällt das alles in sich zusammen und dann werden die Mannschaften profitieren, die in der Zwischenzeit junge Einheimische aufgebaut haben. Das scheint nun langsam auch Bozen verstanden zu haben.

  • Odegar1935
    Nationalliga
    • 22. Juni 2022 um 09:22
    • #91
    Zitat von Lever

    The president of the federation, Gios, confirmed in several interviews at the beginning of May that there is a project for the 2026 Olympics together with CONI to bring Italian-Canadians of a high playing class to Italy who would normally sign in better leagues. In order for the clubs to be able to afford these players,....

    For sure but this is not a Asiago privilege, all the teams can take advantage of the federation support. It easy to see, could be but i have no this info, it could be also for Frattin. Frattin also sounds as an Italian surname, honestly speaking i don't know. I hope thet the Italian teams will be smart enough to take advantage of the subsidies, it would be really stupid to give up,

  • Foxes1933
    KHL
    • 22. Juni 2022 um 09:25
    • #92

    Ja der Hcp macht alles anders und besser, aber zu den "fertigen" Italos sagt man trotzdem nicht nein.

    Hör doch endlich auf mit dem Finger auf andere zu zeigen, ihr habt selbst diese Saison zwei neue Italos verpflichtet.

  • Lever
    Krauttirschtlfanat
    • 22. Juni 2022 um 09:35
    • #93
    Zitat von Odegar1935

    I hope thet the Italian teams will be smart enough to take advantage of the subsidies, it would be really stupid to give up,

    Italian hockey is exactly where it is because of such more than just stupid plans. The federation should work out concepts for youth development like everyone else and invest the money there instead of spending it on a wave of Italo-Canadians. The fact that Gios even calls this a "plan" is ridiculous.

    That Asiago is now signing numerous Italo-Canadians was to be expected, but one should also consider that these Italo-Canadians are taking away numerous places for young Italians. Asiago will certainly have a competitive team, but after 2026 there will be numerous young Italians missing.

  • Odegar1935
    Nationalliga
    • 22. Juni 2022 um 10:13
    • #94
    Zitat von Lever

    Italian hockey is exactly where it is because of such more than just stupid plans. The federation should work out concepts for youth development like everyone else and invest the money there instead of spending it on a wave of Italo-Canadians. The fact that Gios even calls this a "plan" is ridiculous.

    That Asiago is now signing numerous Italo-Canadians was to be expected, but one should also consider that these Italo-Canadians are taking away numerous places for young Italians. Asiago will certainly have a competitive team, but after 2026 there will be numerous young Italians missing.

    I agree that the Federation should be planning something different, but not today, it should have done it at least 10 years ago.

    let me say that the Italos would take away places to young Italian players if Italian players there were. Believe me that Asiago invests a lot of effort and money in the youth teams, but the point is that in Italy there are too few practitioners. Are you proud of your team youth activity and senior roster managing? Please tell me which results your team archived in terms of strong players? i know the answer, your team has the chance to win thanks to Bardaro, Catenacci and other not Italian players. Let's not fool ourselves the big issue are not the Italos the big issue is that in Italy no one play Hockey and the solution can not comes from Brunico or Asiago but from big cities as Milano, Bolzano, this should be the federation target. But this is another long story. I know that when Brunek fans see YellowRed colors they really see just Red, probably the Brunico Managment should learn something from Asiago strategy

  • Lever
    Krauttirschtlfanat
    • 22. Juni 2022 um 10:41
    • #95
    Zitat von Odegar1935

    let me say that the Italos would take away places to young Italian players if Italian players there were. Believe me that Asiago invests a lot of effort and money in the youth teams, but the point is that in Italy there are too few practitioners. Are you proud of your team youth activity and senior roster managing? Please tell me which results your team archived in terms of strong players? i know the answer, your team has the chance to win thanks to Bardaro, Catenacci and other not Italian players.

    None of the Italian-born players can play a supporting role in the ICEHL like the Italo-Canadians, so comparing them is hardly meaningful. It is true that in Italy has few players compared to other countries, but that hardly justifies signing Italo-Canadians in large numbers. It is possible to bring young players up to this level and develop them, as Bolzano or Pustertal have shown recently. It is clear that that they won't immediately take on a significant role; that takes time because the level is high.

    A small number of Italo-Canadians is essential for Italian teams to survive in this league. But the question is whether you have to push the number of Italo-Canadians to the limit to start with 7-8 or more of them, like Asiago will do this year. I doubt that's necessary. I can assure you thatI dont see "red" just because you are an Asiago fan. This strategy was not only criticized by fans from Bruneck, but it has been strongly criticized by a large part of the hockey community in Italy in the last few weeks and months.

  • Odegar1935
    Nationalliga
    • 22. Juni 2022 um 11:13
    • #96
    Zitat von Lever

    It is possible to bring young players up to this level and develop them, as Bolzano or Pustertal have shown recently. It is clear that that they won't immediately take on a significant role; that takes time because the level is high

    I can not see any differences in the number of Italian players upgraded in the senior roster between Asiago and BZ or Brunico. Probably you are not aligned but there were several young players that played and won the Alps the last season. I red some comments like Barrasso play with just 3 lines, it is wrong, this year as the last 3 years Asiago played using 4 lines. I'm quite sure that at least 2 of the 3 players of the 4th Asiago line will be used also in IceHL. For sure at the moment we are the last team in the league and we need time to grow up. The Hockey community criticized the Italos strategy, It is really hypocritical since the teams sign Bardaro, Mantenuto, Ginetti, Giliatti and so on...

    In Italian we say 'disse la volpe dell'uva..' it means you are speaking bad about a strategy just because you are not able to do it with the same effectiveness

    Any way I think we'll never find a common point of view about this point, I hope to come with all the Italos in your fantastic new Arena and win :) in this case I'll have a lot of fun with or without them..let me say again that the italos are not the Italian Hockey issue

  • Lever
    Krauttirschtlfanat
    • 22. Juni 2022 um 11:32
    • #97
    Zitat von Odegar1935

    let me say again that the italos are not the Italian Hockey issue

    They are not the main problem, but a big part of it because they are a tempting solution to avoid the time-consuming and costly development of young players. Why develop many young Italian players for years when you can naturalise Canadians who are 2-3 classes better than the Italians at almost no cost. This is why we are having the same discussion as we did more than 20 years ago before the 2006 Olympics and making the same mistakes over and over again.

    Zitat von Odegar1935

    I can not see any differences in the number of Italian players upgraded in the senior roster between Asiago and BZ or Brunico.

    I can assure you that the 3 Italo-Canadians that Asiago now has under contract will be joined by at least 4 more, even if they are not official yet.

  • Power Block
    EBEL
    • 22. Juni 2022 um 11:41
    • #98
    Zitat von Odegar1935

    I know that when Brunek fans see YellowRed colors they really see just Red, probably the Brunico Managment should learn something from Asiago

    Asiago is only in this league because firstly they were very lucky and were in the right place at the right time, and secondly they received massive support from the federation.

    The leadership in Brunico has done it themselves through years of hard work and preparation.

    Maybe Asiago should take a leaf out of Bruneck's book.

    In Asiago it's all about winning and I have little doubt that you send a strong team on the ice.

    But with what means you have achieved your successes, was often not really correct, and with the values that the sport should actually represent not compatible.

    I am looking forward to the games against Bolzano and Asiago, for us there can be nothing better than to play in such a strong league against our rivals.

  • Odegar1935
    Nationalliga
    • 22. Juni 2022 um 11:52
    • #99
    Zitat von Power Block

    Asiago is only in this league because firstly they were very lucky and were in the right place at the right time, and secondly they received massive support from the federation.

    So i confirm that you see just red :)

    Asiago did a fantastic work in this year, in terms of organization, media, sporting victories. If you can not see this it is your problem.

    Lucky ? probably yes, but Asiago is working very well since several years, and if this was not recognized by all, it would never have accepted in the league.

    I Know that you thought to not see your nightmare for a long time but we are back ;)

    see you

  • Lever
    Krauttirschtlfanat
    • 22. Juni 2022 um 11:57
    • #100

    Warum wundert's mich nicht, dass der asiagoverliebte Bozner diesen Post liked? Popcorn

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